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PostPosted:Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:44 pm
by Joshua Dadd
Hello my friends!

I'm unsure where best to post this topic, but this place seemed as good as any.

I have historically always been interested in the martial arts, holding several dan grades and instructor qualifications.

Recently I have had an inclination to explore historical swordplay and European arts.

This leads me into my question...

I have only read the first three books in the series, and don't recall anything in particular referencing the sword used in the Manticoran Navy. We see it on formal uniforms, and it is addressed within our TRMN uniform manuals.

What i would like to know, preferably from someone that has read the entire Honorvesre series, is whether or not there is any Canon reference to swordplay. Is there a particular style of sword art that is taught to RMN officers? What kind of sword is it that is worn with the uniforms? If there is reference to any of this, does it relate to any particular sword and art trained in the real world?

I'm sure we must have some HEMA enthusiasts that could help to enlighten me.

Re: Swords!

PostPosted:Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:35 am
by Kevin Smith
The Graysons have their own style of sword combat but that's it. It's important in Flag in Exile (Book 5) and that's pretty much it for swords being used in combat in the series that I can remember. Grayson swords are a bit weird as they have a katana-like blade with a cross guard perpendicular to the plane of the blade. Why they look like katanas is explained in the book.

When Honor is learning to use a Grayson sword there is reference to her training in unarmed combat (Coup de Vitesse) but none that I remember to previous training with a sword. The reasonable conclusion is that the RMN does not train officers in sword combat. There are probably some RMN officers who learn to use their swords on their own time, but they would essentially be the equivalent of HEMA practitioners or sport fencers.


PostPosted:Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:10 pm
by Zachary White
The RMN Naval Sword serves in a strictly ceremonial capacity. It is a formal decoration and nothing else - similar to many ceremonial swords worn by military officers once sword fighting went out of style/practicality. Outside an officer electing to take fencing lessons, swordplay has no practical purpose and is most likely not taught in any formal capacity at the Naval Academy. Having read the entire series I cannot recall anything like this being mentioned.

The design is based VERY heavily on a historical sword called a “Spadroon” - common in the militaries of Earth in the 17th and 18th centuries pre-diaspora.

The example used as the basis for the RMN sword belonged to Admiral Horatio Nelson. This information comes from my own research and has been corroborated as accurate by BuNine:

While the Graysons still use swords for a practical purpose - GSN naval officers do not carry a sword in any formal uniform unless they are a Steadholder, in which case they are permitted to carry their family sword with their mess dress uniform. This has also been corroborated by BuNine.

Hope that helps you with what you were looking for.

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Re: Swords!

PostPosted:Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:26 pm
by Joshua Dadd
Thank you for the responses, much obliged!