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Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:37 am
by Peter Gold
No real progress. I'm having trouble learning 3d drafting software.
If I ever get decent I then have to convert a few sets of drawings from paper and or PDF to 2d or 3d drafting so they can be manipulated.

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Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:41 pm
by Zachary White
I have the instructions for a LEGO Havoc-Class Destroyer that I can share.

Full disclosure though before anyone gets too excited:

1 - I have to locate the file
2 - It is over 8 feet long (not a typo)
3 - When I priced the forward hammerhead on Bricklink it was going to be almost $400 (just for the forward hammerhead) - that was in 2015.

I’ll try to find it though :)
Maybe someone will be do it :)


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Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:25 pm
by Joe Grieco
Was that based on a solid or hollow hammerhead? Would the shape hold integrity if it were hollowed?

Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:39 pm
by Kevin Walsh
thats very cool Zach, but why not downscale it?

Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:52 pm
by Zachary White
To answer both questions:

I don’t remember if it was hollow - I tend to doubt it was at that scale.

I’m not the original designer - I downloaded this file from I can’t remember where in late ‘14 maybe.....I don’t know how to use the LEGO program it was created in that well.

If I can find it I’ll upload it and someone can have at if they want. :)


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Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:41 pm
by Thomas Hathaway
For those who may not have seen these. This is a link to the personal DeviantArt gallery of one of the artists working for BuNine. As far as I know, these are the only "official" publically released drawings outside of House of Steel. There are views of point defense and counter missile weapons systems, a cutaway of the missile deck and some excellent elevation plans and some truly stunning 3D renders.

The Agamemnon class BCP is particularly well documented.

One thing which is made very clear in what is available is the extremely "modular" starship construction techniques employed in the Honorverse. This explains the speed of production seen in the series. It also has implications for crew training as well. If your entire starship is built from interchangeable parts it is very easy to train spacers to a high level of competency on the component systems.

Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:26 pm
by Patrick Giese
Just the scale of project I was contemplating!

Patrick
Zachary White wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:41 pm
I have the instructions for a LEGO Havoc-Class Destroyer that I can share.

Full disclosure though before anyone gets too excited:

1 - I have to locate the file
2 - It is over 8 feet long (not a typo)
3 - When I priced the forward hammerhead on Bricklink it was going to be almost $400 (just for the forward hammerhead) - that was in 2015.

I’ll try to find it though :)
Maybe someone will be do it :)


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Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:21 pm
by Thomas Hathaway
Patrick Giese wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:26 pm
Just the scale of project I was contemplating!

Patrick
That is a HUGE model. I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. A 1:350 scale model of a Havoc Class Destroyer would be about 42" (108cm) long. Tamiya makes a 1:350 USS Enterprise (CVN-65) which tops out at 38" or so.


I am currently working on, among other projects, a "waterline scale" (1:700) Agamemnon Class BCP model. When it is done it will be 45" (116cm) long. It is about as small as I think I can build this without loosing significant detail. I chose 1:700 scale because I thought it would be cool to build a 1:700 scale Nimitz or Ford Class CVN model and display them together to show exactly how big the ships of the Honorverse actually are. It really says something that the smallest warship of the Honorverse is substantially larger than the largest US Navy Warship.

I am making very heavy use of the BuNine reference images I linked. So far I have produced 3D renderings in Fusion 360 (Enthusiast's License is free for the full version!) I have digital models for the active defense systems (countermissile tubes, and Point defense clusters), gravitics arrays and the Main Radar/Lidar Panels. I still need to build out Electronic Warfare Panels, Topside Heat sink panels and accumulators, and chase armament.

My plan is to build the hull using extruded foam board with a coating of epoxy resin. I considered a traditional plank on frame construction using laser cut framing but thought that resined foam would be more rugged for toting to conventions. I am going to 3D print the fittings with a Formlabs SLA printer using the models I described above. I might try making the radar panels out of CNC cut prototyping circuit board I am not sure if it would fit the scale of the model though.

I am hoping to get our crew working on this together as a sort of group project for the upcoming convention season but It will have to wait until I wrap up a few other projects.

If you like, I could send you some scaled .obj files of the fittings I have made in the appropriate scale. The illustrations I have seen show that Counter Missile tubes and Point Defense clusters are identical between BC's and DD's (BC's just have more!) PM me if interested.

Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:54 am
by Timber Lupindo
I built a primitive model of a Highlander-class LAC in Second Life. I based it on an elevation printed in House of Steel. I made guesses about the internal sizes of weapons in the sides of the ship. I don't know where the fusion generator or other big internal components go, but their placement would determine the locations of everything else. It was fun to climb around inside it. I wasn't satisfied with the shapes I could make with prims, so I packed it all away.

Re: HH Ship Schematics, Blueprints or cutaways?

PostPosted:Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:47 pm
by Patrick Giese
So to be clear, the scale would be one where the standard Lego characters would be of a realistic height within the model, but also so that it would be easy to see the internal structure and have it fairly representative - having done a lot of model building over the years at many different scales, I've found that having a standard human reference helps observers understand the size and scope of a model.

All that being said, if I need to scratch build one out of materials instead of Legos - I'm cool with that too.

For Queen and Empire

Patrick
Thomas Hathaway wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:21 pm
Patrick Giese wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:26 pm
Just the scale of project I was contemplating!

Patrick
That is a HUGE model. I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. A 1:350 scale model of a Havoc Class Destroyer would be about 42" (108cm) long. Tamiya makes a 1:350 USS Enterprise (CVN-65) which tops out at 38" or so.


I am currently working on, among other projects, a "waterline scale" (1:700) Agamemnon Class BCP model. When it is done it will be 45" (116cm) long. It is about as small as I think I can build this without loosing significant detail. I chose 1:700 scale because I thought it would be cool to build a 1:700 scale Nimitz or Ford Class CVN model and display them together to show exactly how big the ships of the Honorverse actually are. It really says something that the smallest warship of the Honorverse is substantially larger than the largest US Navy Warship.

I am making very heavy use of the BuNine reference images I linked. So far I have produced 3D renderings in Fusion 360 (Enthusiast's License is free for the full version!) I have digital models for the active defense systems (countermissile tubes, and Point defense clusters), gravitics arrays and the Main Radar/Lidar Panels. I still need to build out Electronic Warfare Panels, Topside Heat sink panels and accumulators, and chase armament.

My plan is to build the hull using extruded foam board with a coating of epoxy resin. I considered a traditional plank on frame construction using laser cut framing but thought that resined foam would be more rugged for toting to conventions. I am going to 3D print the fittings with a Formlabs SLA printer using the models I described above. I might try making the radar panels out of CNC cut prototyping circuit board I am not sure if it would fit the scale of the model though.

I am hoping to get our crew working on this together as a sort of group project for the upcoming convention season but It will have to wait until I wrap up a few other projects.

If you like, I could send you some scaled .obj files of the fittings I have made in the appropriate scale. The illustrations I have seen show that Counter Missile tubes and Point Defense clusters are identical between BC's and DD's (BC's just have more!) PM me if interested.