The Royal Manticoran Navy: The Official Honor Harrington Fan Association

David Misener wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:30 am

No clarification came from he who writes the ao, its all been interpretation. Like the how do we convert from old to new when the standard was to wait until all 50 sessions were done before submitting

The clarification came from Jeffrey Webb, who wrote the AD that the AO is based on. You can find that FAQ thread elsewhere in this forum, but the relevant piece is:

“9. So, Navy Pistol encompasses Army Pistol, Grenade, Flechette Gun, Plasma Carbine and Tribarrel. How do I score that?

Navy and Marine Corps members can earn all the individual weapons the Army program has listed. The trick is, for ribbon rack purposes, you wear the highest qualification level of the weapons grouped under Pistol or Rifle per AO 1803-03. So, if you're a Marksman with Pistol, Expert with Grenade and High Expert in Plasma Carbine, you'd wear the Pistol High Expert ribbon.”

I disagree with it, but it’s how we’re doing things, and is, at this point, standardized.

Here is the link to the clarifications thread:

viewtopic.php?f=567&t=6159

It does have the advantage that if you ever shift to RMA it's still disaggregated by weapon.
And for role play purposes you can legitimately claim statuses by individual weapon even if it doesn't show on the ribbon rack.

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Peter Gold wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:58 pm

It does have the advantage that if you ever shift to RMA it's still disaggregated by weapon.
And for role play purposes you can legitimately claim statuses by individual weapon even if it doesn't show on the ribbon rack.

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Yes, but it has the disadvantage of disincentivizing those that don't intend to switch from playing different genres of games. If your group gets sick of ground based war games after 100 hours and decides to play something else like from the Disrupter (family games), grenade launcher (RPGs), or Plasma Rifle (strategic PC games) categories they stop progressing towards any tangible reward until they have spent the same 100 hours in that.

If you view the award as a random thing given out that doesn't have a purpose beyond adding to the fruit salad, that's fine. However, if the purpose is to incentivize the members to strive towards the reward and organize games, this disincentivizes the organization of certain types of games until reward goals have been met.

This is why we need the marksmanship manual released, and clarifications from the FLA on the application of the AO which we have not had in the last year

William Karnesky wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:34 pm

If you view the award as a random thing given out that doesn't have a purpose beyond adding to the fruit salad, that's fine. However, if the purpose is to incentivize the members to strive towards the reward and organize games, this disincentivizes the organization of certain types of games until reward goals have been met.

To my understanding, only the highest qualification counts - but the rules, as described in the ao / wiki can be a bit confusing, which is why similar questions pop once in a while. The program could use a little of streamlining in my opinion, but that's just me.

@William Karnesky - This is the part I agree on - it in my opinion shouldn't be the case - as having something added to a fruit salad shouldn't be the main goal of things. People like to try new things and games, and that rule in particular goes against that.

I asked about the manual higher up the chain.

Frank Gonzalez wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 pm

Hello Everyone,

The AO that establishes the RMA as the defacto program for marksmanship awards states the following:

Royal Manticoran Navy, Royal Manticoran Marine Corps, and Royal Manticoran Uniformed Civilian branches:

Pistol Marksmanship can be earned via the RMA programs for: Pistol, Grenade, Flechette Gun, Plasma Carbine, Tribarrel

Rifle Marksmanship can be earned via the RMA programs for: Rifle, Disruptor, Grenade Launcher, Plasma Rifle

Does this mean that any hours earned playing games in any of the listed categories under RMN Pistol can be combined towards the RMN Pistol award or is each counted separately even though they all earn the same award?

Frank Gonzalez
Cheif Gunner's Mate, RMN
Manticore Central Control ATC-01

If you are *NOT* RMA or a Civilian Branch using the RMA Awards (SFC, Diplomatic Corps, Intelligence Corps), then the total hours combine for the purposes of the RMN Marksmanship Awards.

I hope that clarifies

Martin Lessem, FLA wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:34 pm

Frank Gonzalez wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 pm

Hello Everyone,

The AO that establishes the RMA as the defacto program for marksmanship awards states the following:

Royal Manticoran Navy, Royal Manticoran Marine Corps, and Royal Manticoran Uniformed Civilian branches:

Pistol Marksmanship can be earned via the RMA programs for: Pistol, Grenade, Flechette Gun, Plasma Carbine, Tribarrel

Rifle Marksmanship can be earned via the RMA programs for: Rifle, Disruptor, Grenade Launcher, Plasma Rifle

Does this mean that any hours earned playing games in any of the listed categories under RMN Pistol can be combined towards the RMN Pistol award or is each counted separately even though they all earn the same award?

Frank Gonzalez
Cheif Gunner's Mate, RMN
Manticore Central Control ATC-01

If you are *NOT* RMA or a Civilian Branch using the RMA Awards (SFC, Diplomatic Corps, Intelligence Corps), then the total hours combine for the purposes of the RMN Marksmanship Awards.

I hope that clarifies

Wonderful news, thank you for clarifying!

This is a major change from everything that we have had been given previously, can we get an ao stating this

Martin Lessem, FLA wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:34 pm

Frank Gonzalez wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 pm

Hello Everyone,

The AO that establishes the RMA as the defacto program for marksmanship awards states the following:

Royal Manticoran Navy, Royal Manticoran Marine Corps, and Royal Manticoran Uniformed Civilian branches:

Pistol Marksmanship can be earned via the RMA programs for: Pistol, Grenade, Flechette Gun, Plasma Carbine, Tribarrel

Rifle Marksmanship can be earned via the RMA programs for: Rifle, Disruptor, Grenade Launcher, Plasma Rifle

Does this mean that any hours earned playing games in any of the listed categories under RMN Pistol can be combined towards the RMN Pistol award or is each counted separately even though they all earn the same award?

Frank Gonzalez
Cheif Gunner's Mate, RMN
Manticore Central Control ATC-01

If you are *NOT* RMA or a Civilian Branch using the RMA Awards (SFC, Diplomatic Corps, Intelligence Corps), then the total hours combine for the purposes of the RMN Marksmanship Awards.

I hope that clarifies

Andrew Sivula wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:54 am

This is a major change from everything that we have had been given previously, can we get an ao stating this

Agreed - If anything, if it's made into an official AO or in another official capacity - I can pin it into the Sticky topic as a link, for quick clarification for everyone to easily find, since it's one of the more asked questions regarding the Marksmanship Program & also where the confusion often happens.